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A Little Bowie History
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http://www.wacotrib.com/news/city_of_wac...a50b2.html
Addictive knife buying isn't guided by logic.

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Tolerance is within a standard.

"Food is power. We use it to change behavior. Some
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#2
Now THAT'S a knife!
Theophilus
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#3
Thanks for sharing this with is big Jim, I have some thoughts on the subject which I hope are received in the spirit in which they are offered.
Rezin Bowie did give knives to several persons he admired and usually they were purchased not made by him and engraved.
The knife pictured is not an early Bowie pattern as are the knives attributed to Shively and James Black which were guard-less.
This appears to be a British pattern import due to the bevel grind on the clipped point extending into the spine. But Davey Crockett was reported to have a Wolstenholm Bowie knife at his demise at the Alamo.
Joe Musso of California knows all about the difficulty in having a proposed knife belonging to the Bowie brothers accepted. He had metallurgy tests which came up positive for the time period and local of Black's smithy both in the steel and the brass, but like a murder trial, without continuity of evidence there is no definitive proof.
The Musso Bowie was purchased by Phil Collins and later donated to the Alamo museum along with a large collection of Alamo items both American and Mexican. Collins was a huge Alamophile.
I hope they can find out more on this knife it surely is interesting.

Grizled Dave
Hopefully the S won't HTF and I pray every day that it won't. It would not be fun.



I have a high art..I wound with cruelty, all who wound me...Archillocus; 650 B.C.
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#4
Interesting.

Got to see a Searles Bowie on display the first time I went to the Alamo. Never cared too much for the design, but on sight of it I got goosebumps. Smile It was *really* well-made.
James Helm - Proud to be a Neo-Tribal Metalsmith scavenging the wreckage of civilization!



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#5
I agree Grizzly Dave. We have had this discussion before and the design you have previously posted makes lot more sense. I just found it interesting that the debate continues, each side wanting to own the original. It will be interesting as we continue to follow it. JB
Addictive knife buying isn't guided by logic.

Its probably my age that makes people think I am an adult.

Tolerance is within a standard.

"Food is power. We use it to change behavior. Some
may call that bribery. We do not apologize."
 -Catherine Bertini, UN World Food Ex. Director, 1997

Proverbs 27:17
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#6
(01-14-2018, 03:23 AM)jbarrow Wrote: I agree Grizzly Dave.  We have had this discussion before and the design you have previously posted makes  lot more sense.  I just found it interesting that the debate continues, each side wanting to own the original. It will be interesting as we continue to follow it.  JB

Like THE Phil Collins.??signer??
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#7
Yes a large knife and interesting story.  Regardless of our thoughts & beliefs, providence is often very elusive in most of these cases.
Jimbo
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(01-14-2018, 06:49 PM)pjb Wrote:
(01-14-2018, 03:23 AM)jbarrow Wrote: I agree Grizzly Dave.  We have had this discussion before and the design you have previously posted makes  lot more sense.  I just found it interesting that the debate continues, each side wanting to own the original. It will be interesting as we continue to follow it.  JB

Like THE Phil Collins.??signer??

Yep, he's a big Alamo fan and owns and narrates (or did several years ago) a diorama enactment of the siege.
James Helm - Proud to be a Neo-Tribal Metalsmith scavenging the wreckage of civilization!



Helm Enterprises, Forging Division - http://www.helmforge.com



Helm Enterprises, Grinding Division - http://www.helmgrind.com



A collaboration with Wasteland Leatherwork: wastelandcrow.blogspot.com
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(01-13-2018, 01:31 AM)Grizzly Dave Wrote: Thanks for sharing this with is big Jim, I have some thoughts on the subject which I hope are received in the spirit in which they are offered.
Rezin Bowie did give knives to several persons he admired and usually they were purchased not made by him and engraved.
The knife pictured is not an early Bowie pattern as are the knives attributed to Shively and James Black which were guard-less.
This appears to be a British pattern import due to the bevel grind on the clipped point extending into the spine. But Davey Crockett was reported to have a Wolstenholm Bowie knife at his demise at the Alamo.
Joe Musso of California knows all about the difficulty in having a proposed knife belonging to the Bowie brothers accepted. He had metallurgy tests which came up positive for the time period and local of Black's smithy both in the steel and the brass, but like a murder trial, without continuity of evidence there is no definitive proof.
The Musso Bowie was purchased by Phil Collins and later donated to the Alamo museum along with a large collection of Alamo items both American and Mexican. Collins was a huge Alamophile.
I hope they can find out more on this knife it surely is interesting.

Grizled Dave
It is amazing to me how much more knowledge of the Alamo and Texas history my brother griz (from far north texas) has amassed. He probably knows Texas history better than the great majority of us texians
"...Bond reflected that good Americans were fine people and that most

of them seemed to come from Texas."

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(01-19-2018, 02:04 AM)rcwalla Wrote: It is amazing to me how much more knowledge of the Alamo and Texas history my brother griz (from far north texas) has amassed. He probably knows Texas history better than the great majority of us texians

I always feel at home when I am in Texas and around Texans Smile
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I have a high art..I wound with cruelty, all who wound me...Archillocus; 650 B.C.
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