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Posted by: sgteldridge - 04-18-2004, 06:05 AM - Forum: Questions and Answers - Replies (15)

im think about getting a Citizen Eco-Drive Aqualand Stainless Steel Diving Watch

anyone have one of these?

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  Etching On...
Posted by: storm - 04-17-2004, 10:45 PM - Forum: Hoodlum Workshop-Photos Please - No Replies

artist's conk fungus (about 4" long) with a stick...

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  Pine Bark Flour
Posted by: blacktapebandit - 04-17-2004, 09:44 PM - Forum: Questions and Answers - Replies (3)

i never heard of it.i read it in some survival book.the guy says that pine bark can be dried and ground for emergency flour.if anyone has tried it is it any good

any info will be greatly apreaciated

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  Argus Slide Projector
Posted by: Birdog - 04-17-2004, 05:50 PM - Forum: Questions and Answers - Replies (2)

I have boxes of old slides I inherrited from my uncle after he died. Thay contain some very old photos of my family. I also inherrited an Argus Slide (Carrosel) Projecter loaded with slides. My problem is that the cord for the projector didn't come with it. I figured it would be no problem at the time, but after doing a major search. The cord isn't to be found. If anyone has access to one, I would be eternally greatful.



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  Kilt And... Ghillies !
Posted by: Howling Mike - 04-16-2004, 11:25 PM - Forum: Questions and Answers - Replies (16)

This is in fact a two-in-1 question.

The first one is : do you know where can I found the correct model of a traditional scottish medieval kilt ? I imprudently post to my friend the url of the site about survival kilt... and now she want to make her own production... (and of course she loved the "braveheart" movie...) <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wacko:' />

For the Ghillies suit, the question is more... hmm... personnal... I tried recently to make my own ghillie poncho, but the result was, hmmm... definitely NOT in conformity with what it was supposed to do... In fact... hmmm... it was a positive disaster !!! <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':blink:' /> I guess a lot of residual materials mark out my progression on the trail... As I said you : a positive disaster ! So I hope the next one will be less... hmmm... ephemeral...

HAR !!! <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' />

I hope you'll help me ! <img src='http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />

À bientôt !

Howling Mike

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  Hey, Prattbard...
Posted by: storm - 04-15-2004, 05:30 PM - Forum: Questions and Answers - Replies (2)

i just opened a week-old e-mail from you regarding the use of moss on shelters. i'll get back to you soon RE:. also--did you need more help with that edible plant question?

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  Iodine Question
Posted by: N8QGE - 04-15-2004, 12:07 PM - Forum: Questions and Answers - Replies (4)

Quote:It(iodine) should not be used by persons with allergy to iodine, persons with active thyroid disease, or pregnant women.

If I choose to use iodine for water purification, is there a safe test for iodine allergy?

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  For Those Of You That Do Hand Drill...
Posted by: storm - 04-15-2004, 06:14 AM - Forum: Questions and Answers - Replies (9)

have you ever encountered periods of your life during which you had extra difficulty in getting hand drill embers? i have been sick during the past 10 days, but about a week ago i almost didn't get an ember in front of a group (luckily that hasn't happened to me yet). then this morning i didn't get an ember 3 out of the 4 times i tried. this evening i got two coals pretty fast, but i now have the blisters to show for it--i usually don't go for blisters.

anyone ever get the hand drill doldrums? ever figure out what causes it or how you surmounted it?

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  Milk Paint
Posted by: ussstarfire - 04-15-2004, 12:56 AM - Forum: Questions and Answers - Replies (5)

Does anyone of you neo-primatives use milk paint for anything??? Looking for a good filler for my formula. So far flour seems the best, and most durable but don't know how this affests the mildew/mold durability espesically with linseed oil as the sealer. Plaster of paris doesn't seem t work well, too soft and chalky. I haven't yet had a chance to try a pure chalk mix. Thanks much

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  Ruger, Aimpoint, Shoulder Stocks
Posted by: Eric Stoskopf - 04-14-2004, 04:12 PM - Forum: Weapons FAQ - Replies (6)

6 Ways In & 12 Ways Out Survival Pistol ???

Posted By: Mick Chesbro - Registered User

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Posted At: (6/12/03 2:30 pm)

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In the book "Six Ways In & 12 Ways Out" USRSOG recommends using a long barrel, accurate .22 pistol as a survival weapon (i.e. Ruger MKII).

The concept is a long barrel (10") Ruger MKII with a Red-Dot (AimPoint) sight and possibly a barrel mounted flashlight(?).

Has anyone here tried such a set-up for a survival weapon???

Along the same line a detachable shoulder stock might be a unique addition to this type of set up. (Yes.. I know the stock requires a BATFag Form 1, same as for the GlockStocks).

Does anyone know of a source for detachable shoulder stocks that will work on the Ruger MKII? (Form 1 of course to follow).

So you gun gods??? Comments on the USRSOG Survival Pistol Concept??? Ideas to improve on the idea??




Michael Chesbro

21st Century Adventurer, Author & Technologist


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Ruger, Aimpoint, Shoulder Stocks

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Posted At: (6/13/03 10:16 am)

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Well, I have read the book in question here (Six Ways In and Twelve Ways Out). And while the so-called USRSOG does indeed recommend the combination Mr. Chesbro cites (a ten-inch-barreled semi-automatic .22 pistol with an Aimpoint sight and a detachable stock), like the eminent Mr. Bill Hay, I cannot endorse such a setup.

In my eclectic accumulation of firearms, I have an original C96 Mauser pistol, chambered for 9mm Parabellum. This is better known in this country as the "Broomhandle" Mauser. These pistols were often equipped with a clever detachable shoulder stock that doubled as a wooden holster for the pistol, and I have one of these stocks as well.

It’s interesting (and legal) to shoot the old Broomhandle with the shoulder stock attached. Enlightening as well. But after all the novelty of the experience has worn off, one is left questioning the utility and benefit of such a setup. I admire the famous German Fabrik on the banks of the river Neckar for going to the trouble to experiment with this detachable-stock solution. But I also think it’s notable that in the last 100 years, just about no one else has gone to the trouble of duplicating their efforts (the Browning Hi-Power duly noted).

The C96, for those unfamiliar with the piece, is an odd, unique, and historically significant handgun, indeed the first successful semi-automatic pistol produced in any meaningful number. Designed in 1896 (C96 = Construction 96), it has an integral ten-shot magazine loaded by stripper clips and located in front of the triggerguard. Its distinctive bag-shaped grip resembles (to some eyes) the end of a broom handle.

It is a piece with apparently little regard for the human hand (forgivable, since simply getting a semi-automatic pistol mechanism to function was a huge leap forward), and it’s again worth noting that nobody has ever bothered copying the overall pistol design, either (in this instance with the singular exception of the aforementioned Charter Arms Explorer Pistol). It is uniquely bad in its ergonomics, and needs all the help it can get, especially in the 9mm chambering.

Yet, in my experience, in the real world when you actually bother to shoot it, even the old Broomhandle, with its 1200 meter sights (!) and substandard, century-old ergonomics, benefits little from the attached shoulder stock. The weapon is still quite muzzle light (this despite the fact that it has a long barrel which mimics one even longer due to the forward magazine placement). The stock places the rear sight closer to my rear eye than I would like for clarity, about eight inches closer than in an arms-extended Weaver stance.

The Mauser’s stock attaches very quickly and positively, yet in the time it takes to attach it, I can easily assume a rested stance (sitting or kneeling), which allows me to shoot the pistol better than with the stock in place. Resting the pistol proper in a "barricade" stance or over an object (a limb, a daypack, a sandbag) produces even better results, and is often still faster than fussing with the stock.

Now, I also have several Ruger Mk I and Mk II .22 semi-automatic pistols in a couple of different barrel lengths and weights. They are excellent firearms. At one point in my life, I was at the firing range twice a week, firing formal rounds of pistol target practice with one of them, 50 rounds per session. I used an Aimpoint sight on the heavy-barreled target model for about two and a half years—that works out to about 13,000 rounds I sent downrange with the Aimpoint/Ruger combination.

And I have to say, while I enjoyed the Aimpoint on the Ruger on the target range, it is about the last thing I would recommend for anyone looking for a "survival" firearm. The combination was heavy, bulky, and the sight needs the attention any electronic gadget requires. Add an attached light too? No way—as Mr. Hay suggests, I’d simply opt for a flashlight held in the supporting hand, or even better (if we’re talking about wilderness survival here) a headlamp such as the Petzl Zoom, or one of many others.

As to the barrel-length issue: ten inches is far too long as a reasonable recommendation. The velocity increase in a .22 is negligible, while the increase in weight and loss of handiness is substantial. With iron sights, and when specifically discussing this pistol for wilderness survival, I would opt for a six-inch barrel (to differ with Mr. Hay’s recommendation of a four-inch tube), as I’ve found the longer sight radius a help for deliberate, aimed fire at small targets (for which this pistol seems suited), but more important I think the added mass/weight further away from the hand makes the Ruger pistols hold steadier. This, though, is a minor difference of opinion on a very minor point compared with the USROG authors’ shoulder-stock/Aimpoint/flashlight issue and the recommendation.

I hate to say anything negative about someone (or some group) whom I haven’t met, but the whole USRSOG thing makes me wonder. The Ruger with all this clutter attached is all a little too James Bond/Man From U.N.C.L.E. to be practical in anything but a screenwriter’s mind. Just about any "conventional" .22 rifle will be a far more practical recommendation, as Mr. Hay states, notably the AR-7 (takes apart) the Chipmunk (small to begin with) or even the noble, simple Ruger 10/22 or 77/22. And how about the humble little Marlin 39? A lever-action repeater available in a variety of barrel lengths, it offers a high-capacity magazine, lever-action dependability, excellent maintainability in the field, will chamber .22 Short, Long, or Long Rifle rounds, the option of either an excellent aperture receiver sight or a conventional telescopic sight, and it takes down to stow in a backpack or bag with no tools required. Of course, James Bond never used a lever-action, and neither did the U.N.C.L.E. dudes, so it can’t possibly be cool enough for our commando friends. Maybe they try to justify their Ruger/Aimpoint choice through something like clandestine sentry neutralization, but that’s really not an agenda that drives my choice of firearms in the outdoors. Even if it were, I can’t see how the Ruger would perform this in a fashion superior to the Marlin, AR-7, et. al.

In reality (and thankfully), choosing to bolt all this junk onto your Ruger pistol probably won’t make it any worse. It may impress a child or a cheerleader or a fantasy-video-game player who sees it, but I suspect the more knowledgeable will roll their eyes and snicker when you’re not looking. I’d rather carry a couple of extra MREs for the equivalent weight, or a better shelter, or a small hatchet, or a warm hat. Or, more to the point, a light .22 rifle.

Of course, I don’t belong to any exclusive survival group, so what can a naïve little boy like me know?



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